Club Game Basics

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Club game basics are patterns that i have seen that produce the more likelihood based on my experience of success in a club environment, so lets start.-

 

Mistakes guys make at the club:

1 – Hanging out with too many guys. I recommend you hang out with a maximum of one other guy. It is better to be alone as women will be less intimidated and may even approach you. (This happens to me all the time.) If you are going to the club with a group of guy friends, make sure that everyone meets at the club in separate cars. The reason you should do this is that when you hook up with an hb and your wing or friends don’t, they will pressure you to leave early or take them back, killing the chances of taking your target home. Make sure if you do hang out with a guy or group of guys, that they are not guys who have no game or do not project higher value. In some instances they may lower your own value in the eyes of your target and her friends. It’s guilt by association. Moreover, when there are too many guys it creeps women out. It looks like a pack of ravenous wolves trying to prey on a rabbit. Generally, I prefer to game alone, although sometimes I have a wingman whom I meet at the club. If he is having an off night, however, or his value is being lowered by too many mistakes, I will move off and game alone.

2 – Parking. A mistake I frequently notice men make is standing stationary in the middle of the dance floor looking for targets. Doing this is creepy and lowers your value. You need to either park outside of the dance floor or be moving through the club. I usually go to a corner or a spot outside of the dance floor and dance; then, when they play a good song or I see a girl I like, I approach her immediately.

3 – Looking at a girl multiple times. When you make eye contact with a girl, do not break eye contact. Just go up to her and say: “How are you going to look at me like that and not say anything? Come on, let’s dance,” or better yet, do not break eye contact at all but go up to her and dance. Do not stay where you are and stare at her multiple times. That is creepy and/or shows lack of confidence. Try to use the three-second rule. [Three-second rule, noun: a guideline stating that a woman should be approached within three seconds of first seeing her. It is intended to prevent the man from thinking about the approach too much and getting nervous, as well as to keep him from creeping the woman out by staring at her for too long. Origin: Mystery.]

4 – Grabbing or touching when opening. When you initially approach the girl, do not grab her hand or touch her. The only exception to this rule is when they play Latin music, or Latin beats, for example Shakira, Ricky Martin, Pit Bull, or reggaeton. After you are in the set and pass the social hook point, you should escalate incrementally a little at a time.

5 – Chasing. Do not chase women around. When you are dancing with a girl and she walks away, just act neutral and keep dancing or open another girl or set. Frequently, women will try to *shit test” you by dancing with another guy; let her do it and do not chase after her. You are the prize. Regardless of how tempted you are to chase after her, resist it! Remember: to get a girl you must be willing to lose a girl. As I said, women have done this to me all the time, and they end up coming back. [Shit test, noun: a question, demand, or seemingly hostile comment made by a woman intended to gauge whether a man is strong enough to be a worthy boyfriend or sexual partner. If he takes the question, demand, or comment at face value, he fails and generally loses the opportunity to move forward in his interaction with her. Examples include telling him he is too young or old for her, or asking him to perform an unnecessary favor.]

6 – Buying girls drinks and flowers. Do not buy girls drinks or flowers. If you have already made out with her and she is into you, then you may decide to go this route. Personally, I would advise against buying drinks or flowers as it establishes her as the prize and not you. If you have made out with her and she is into you, make sure that your buying her a drink is not one of her shit tests. If all three of these things check out and you still have your heart set on buying her a drink, knock yourself out. Never buy her flowers under any circumstances. Make your own napkin rose. (I will link some tutorials on how to do this later in the book.) Buying drinks too early in the interaction is sending the message “I am not good enough for this girl, so let me buy you a drink so you can keep hanging out with me,” which comes across as too accommodating and needy and will nearly always kill any attraction for you she may be feeling. If a girl asks you to buy her a drink, tell her “Of course. Do you have $10?” Most girls do not ask guys to buy a drink, especially if they know the guy has game. Usually if a girl is hinting to me after we made out that she wants to get a drink, what I do is say, “Go ahead. I will be right here,” since sometimes this is a hint that she wants the interaction to be over or she wants to be isolated. If she goes to the bar and she wants me, or gives me indications that she wants me to join her, I go with her, but I stay five steps back. I behave as if I have no idea what is going on. I do not look at her but instead give her my back and keep dancing till she has gotten and paid for the drink. At that point she usually comes back to me.

7 – Failure to pick up on hints. Sometimes the girl will move away, stop dancing when you approach, or her friend will hug her dancing (rescue mechanism). Additionally, her body language may indicate that she/her group of friends want to be left alone. This is normal. No matter how good you get, you cannot win them all. The problem that I see is guys staying there like idiots, or guys who do not get the hints. What is even worse is following the women around after they’ve moved on to dance in a different area. If you are with your wing and the girls reject you by hug dancing the girl, you can do the same shit with your wing while giving them the back. Not only will the girls be embarrassed, it is kind of funny.

8 – Being too aggressive or not being aggressive. You need a balance of push and pull. Turn her on, but also pull back a bit, then go back to turning her on, then pull back. But do not make the mistake of being all over her to a point that she feels violated. Watch my dancing videos. I will demonstrate the correct way to do this while dancing. Your goal, when dancing, is to escalate as much as possible and to sexually arouse the girl while at the same time seeing to it that the hb is having a really good time.

9 – Failure to engage the group. If she is with a group of men and women, you have to engage the whole group. I do this by dancing with everybody including the guys (no gay shit, but I will grab a hand and jump in back and forth in hip hop/reggae or like friendly bumping with hard core hip hop and hard rock for example, not amoging) or encouraging everybody to dance and high fiving.

10  Approaching difficult sets. If you see that the girls are overly into themselves or are in their own world, rejecting people left and right, it is best to avoid. If they are in a committed relationship, or you saw the group and they were into another guy(s), who just went to the bar and is coming back, approach other sets that are not as complicated. With that being said, approach everybody. I am just saying that in the choice of difficult sets vs. easy sets, I recommend going with the easier set first.

11 – Fighting. I am a martial artist and, speaking from experience, there will be incidents where guys will try to fight you. Girls can be equally crazy wanting to fight because you bumped into each other, or you are trying to dance with their girlfriend. Regardless, do not fight under any circumstances! Not only will it lower your value, you will be banned from the club, the bouncers will beat the crap out of you, then you will get arrested, and pay a bail bond of $5000. On top of spending a night in jail. Just ignore them and leave.

12 – Leaning in. No matter how loud the music in the club is, do not lean in to talk to a woman. Your back should be straight as a wall. You must avoid leaning in even if the music is loud. This includes lowering your head. Your head and back should always stay straight when talking. If she wants to talk, cup her ear (so it is not so loud that you two are screaming), and talk, but try not to talk. If you do, remember to avoid leaning in

13 – Approaching from behind: I do not recommend approaching a woman with her back turned to you, because this is what every other loser does. There is nothing original or unique about this approach. Additionally, she has to turn around to see who is dancing with her, and if you get rejected it will look really bad and lower your value to other potential targets/groups. The exception to the rule is when she has anticipated that you are coming behind her after giving you IOIs. The three most common IOIs she will give are 1) looking at you while fixing her hair 2) proximity to where you are, or 3) bumping you on purpose or subtly. The second exception is booty music with a younger crowd. Remember, in this one your target’s age comes into play.

14 – Bumping the girl, or dancing back (her booty) to back (your booty). This shows lack of confidence and again is what every other loser does. It may work, and some puas do it, but in my style of club game I do not recommend it ’cause it shows that you are not confident, not man enough to come up to them from the front. The exception to the rule is when she has given you IOIs, but again this is not my style.

15 – Asking the girl to dance. Do not ask girls if they want to dance—just dance. If they tell you they do not want to dance, do not beg. Worse still is, after she has said no, asking her friends to dance. The friends will most likely say no, even if they like you, due to social proof and group mentality.

16 – Having too much high energy or too low energy. Your energy level has to be slightly higher than the set you are opening. Too much high energy and the set will think you are a loony. Low energy will lose you the set because you are a buzz kill.

17 – Being a dancing monkey. I see excellent dancers in clubs who can hold the attention of the whole club but do not get any girls. Alternately, if they are with girls, these women will only be their friends. These guys never or hardly ever hook up. Do not be a dancing monkey. From time to time, I will go into the middle of the dance circle or dance flashily to call attention to myself from nearby hot women. Doing this is a DHV. However, I never do this for more than a minute or two. Then I run my regular club game.

18 – Getting too drunk. I do not recommend drinking. If you do drink, drink only enough to loosen up. Heavy or even moderate drinking will fuck up your game, get you into fights, and get you in trouble. Drinking in bars or clubs is also expensive.

19 – Long-term memory. You have to be like an NFL quarterback after throwing an interception. Take Brett Favre, for example. He is a great quarterback, and when he throws an interception he doesn’t stand around all day and obsess about the negative memory of temporary failure. He moves forward, as should you. You need a short-term memory. If you get rejected, or things do not go your way, you need to forget about it immediately and move on. But you need to return to a confident, fun, cool state. Do not overanalyze: What did I do wrong? Why did she ditch me? Maybe I’m ugly. This includes all that negative shit we put in our heads. You need a strong inner game. For inner game the best book is “psycho Cybernetics”.

20  Lack of calibration. [Calibrate, verb: to read the verbal and nonverbal responses of a person or group and accurately deduce what they are thinking or feeling at that moment. Origin: Richard Bandler and John Grinder.] Let me illustrate with a couple of examples: One time I met a girl who had not gone out to a club in more than fifteen years because she had been married. She had just gotten out of the relationship. She was struggling financially due to the bad economy, was into me, and wanted to take me home. We were having a good time till she asked me to buy her a drink. I went into pua mode and said, “Do you know who I am? I do not buy girls drinks. They buy me drinks.” Then I told her “Go back to your friends. I have to go.” In this example, all I showed her is that I was a jerk-off and a cheapskate. When I called her three days later, I got no response, and I guarantee you that night she wanted an SNL.
Another example is this one from the pua forum from a member named Phagan:
“A case in point from tonight – a three set. HB7s. I start dancing with one of the chicks, getting closer, closer…making out. Great. We dance for maybe three to four minutes, making out a few more times. I make sure to always be the one who breaks it off. She puts her hand under my shirt, she looks at me all seductive… it’s on. Then she takes a step back and tells me “dance!” looking at the floor in front of me as if giving me instructions to “dance for her”… so I come closer to her and say “I don’t take orders from anyone” and back off a little, still inside her air space, smiling, not angry or anything… just being my cool self, the same self she was making out with twenty seconds earlier.” According to PUA rules/textbook, what he did was to follow his teachings. But as you can tell, there is lack of calibration. All he had to do was to dance with the girl seductively. He blew up his chances.

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3 Comments

  • Julo says:

    Great article, these concepts is true, I have studied seduction and applied at night I go out, and I have noticed great strides in my game with them, it makes you more tense, when the girl is very shy, in case you have to spend more time establishing comfort to leave you relaxed. I was with a girl extremely shy and have more work in than usual so that the weather kept calm, serene, quiet, comfortable and relaxed. Thanks for the tips.

  • Cee says:

    I’m a girl and I’ve had a lot of dancing back and it feels like they’re making fun of me, could this be the case? They tend to be in all male groups and looking for encouragement from the rest

    • Skills says:

      Why would they be making fun of you? there is no way for me to know if they are making fun of you or not, since i am not there… Could be guys having fun trying to encourage one of the guys to dance with you… However; if your intuition feels like people are making fun of you, could be true, or it could be false and you have self-esteem issues…

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