This was a question by a seducer that goes by Frwestk:
“I started taking salsa and bachata lessons recently, with interest starting from my on and off relationship with a Hispanic girl. I don’t really use it for seduction. Just having a lot of fun.”
My answer: If is not for seduction and just for having fun, great! I will explain later why is not imho good for seduction
The potential is definitely there. I live in a pretty nerdy city so a lot of women do this to meet people. Since I’m usually in a class and at venues where a lot of non latinas go, not a lot of people are very good at it. I’m a pretty good dancer when it comes to just going out to clubs and moving to hip hop, electronic, pop, etc. I have rhythm and with 4 lessons under my belt, complete n00bs it looks like i know what I’m doing.
My answer:For seduction pipi in vagina and efficiency you will get better result with the highlighted… For a long term relationship(girlfriend) or social circle type game latin (bachata and salsa) good. As I said in many of my posts when women (latin women) go into Latin programming/atmosphere, they will go into conservative Latin mode, there is a lot more talking, a lot more courtshipv(talk, buy drinks, getting to know each other), a lot more competition vs top 40 american type clubs, the seduction is much more slower, you are also competing with good dancers and is hard to differentiate a dancer for another, the girl will go for the most high value guy in that environment.
I‘m trying to strike a balance between the ‘its just a dance’ and ‘i’d like to fuck you sometime’ vibes. Right now I am noticing that women kinda get put off when I dance with them for a few songs and then move on (still working on sensing interest/connection) to someone else. Sometimes I get distracted watching better guys dance and trying to learn.
my answer:Waste of time, i don’t get you, you just said you do this for fun and not seduction. Again for seduction not efficient.
Background: my game is way above average. Still far from being able to fuck girls whenever I want, but I don’t go long without having sex with a new girl.
So anyone more experienced in this type of setting have any general guidelines for me? I don’t really care about success right this moment, because I’m more focused on attaining baseline competency in this type of dancing it to be able to lead properly. I’m really doing it so that if I meet another girl who likes Latin dancing, (not from dancing) its something I can do with her. I don’t even think its necessarily a better place to pick up women, other than the fact that there are always a lot of women during lessons and parties.
my answer: Wasting your time, you are better off in american type clubs… If you want to do it for fun, and social circle type game, fine, other wise you are better off in American type clubs that play to 40 or hip hop or a mix of everything…
Besides the question of “how do I open group of women in the dance floor skills?“The second most asked question is about “should I take salsa classes?”.Again, instead of giving a cookie cutter answer, I will break down to the core my answer.
First, when I am teaching Dance floor seduction is with an emphasis on EFFICIENCY. Again, efficiency is trying to get QUALITY women in the fastest and effortless way possible FROM COLD APPROACH PICK UP (seducing total strangers).So, since my emphasis is again “efficiency” pipi in vagina (even if you want a relationship this is the best way to do it), the blogs and tips I give you, is shit with high probability of success based on my thousands of interactions with women.Now that we got that out of the way, I will repeat for the 100th time why I do not recommend for fast seduction any type of couple/partner system:
1.- Partner systems (such as swing, bachata, ballroom etc…).- It is extremely hard to differentiate yourself from other dancers. Most dudes get good relatively fast and there is not much differentiation.
2.- Courtship.- For some reason people get a bit more conservative in this type of environment ( I may be bias since i am basing this on what i have observe in South Florida).
3.- Social Circle.- This is much of a low key social circle type game.
4.- Speed of seduction aka pipi in vagina is much more slower in Partner dancing compared To what I recommend which is Top 40 type clubs, hip hop clubs etc…
5.- Harder to open women.- You have to open verbally in most cases vs. American clubs where you basically just dance with them.
Now in before, they are way are hotter.- This is not necessarily true, though they are sometimes better dressed, with high heels and little nice dresses, and women are much better dancers vs American clubs (though it gives the impression they are hotter).
In before, I pull a lot of hotties from Latin clubs. I never said you can not get laid and be a pimp in Latin clubs, i said the SEDUCTION SI MUCH MORE SLOWER.
In before most community gurus say to take salsa, bachata etc… Look dude since i joined the community i noticed in the forums they are obsessed with Salsa and in some cases bachata.- YOU DO NOT NEED THAT SHIT TO BE A GOOD DANCER AND IT DOES NOT TRANSLATE WELL TO AMERICAN CLUBS. All you need is couple of simple salsa turns, and they are so simple you can learn on your own. (in the future i will teach the 1-5 dance turns you need).
In before I saw a pua doing a bunch of turns in youtube. Dude, you do that shit i have seen in youtube in a top 40 club full of hotties and you look like an aspie, fuck off! That shit is EMBARRASSING.
In before you are bias, dude I come from a latin country known for having the best Latin dancers and players, plus I got to a really advance level in salsa (I am a very good Latin dancer)… I am telling you focus your efforts on what I recommend.
With all of that being said for pipi in vagina and efficiency, you can still pick a Latin club that has a second room were they play reggeton, hip hop etc… That is efficient as I explain in my book (I got laid a lot in couple of clubs like that in South Florida) or you can use a latin club as part of the clubs if you follow my technique of club hopping. (Again in South Florida I had success doing this).
Also if you are a player and you get a girlfriend, Latin clubs is the way to go. Is the best clubs to go as a couple vs top 40 American clubs. Latin dudes a bit more respectful.
Here is a video I made a while back relate to the subject:
All very true. Also too add on; women go to socials first to dance. If you go trying to pickup women, those women will sense this instantly and you will be black balled fast. Reason being, after some time you notice the same people going to these socials which makes the “player route” not good at all. People recognize each other.
Even with bachata and the very sensual moves, half the girls won’t do them with some dude they’ve never meet before. You don’t wanna be known as the pervy dude.
Figured I’d ask this. Went to a social this weekend for fun, not seduction. Danced bachata with a girl after dancing salsa with her friend who wasn’t that good but still said she had a fun dance.
Anyways…. This chick I danced bachata with said I was real sexy. So I ask if she’s dating anyone simply to see. She says “yes”. I’m like “WHY?!?”, lol.
What’s your opinion on this.
you made a mistake asking if she is dating anyone… You should just have said “thank you, i am blushing” or pretend with amusement to look behind you like you do not know she is calling you sexy, then you said “you are pretty attractive and cool, you seem to be somebody worth getting to know, lets go out for a drink/coffee…”
Now by you forcing her to say “she is seeing somebody” you put her in a position that if she likes you she may be perceived as a slut, and affect her social standing…
Ok, is this for even if she has a boyfriend for real? Or simply assuming that she is just saying so because of being perceived as a slut?
no you did not understand, if a girl usually says she is seeing someone is cause they are not interested… Or i am assuming in your case (since she said you are sexy), she is really with someone…
But what I am saying is that in that MOMENT, it is uncomfortable for her to flirt after disclosing she has a bf, cause SOCIAL PROOF… With that being said if the girls says she is married or has a boyfriend, sometimes is plausible deniability… “i fucked him but i told him i had a bf, so it just happened, i was honest”.
Ohh, ok. It’s the same as the classics “I don’t normally do this”, “But I just meet you” lines that girls give, but still do it. Correct?
yes, but there are some possibilities:
1.- she is not interested
2.- shit test to see how you react
3.- interested, but disclosing she is with somebody.
there you go…
Got it.
Her calling me sexy was like a hook out of nowhere, completely got me off guard. Especially in a dance social setting.